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Jim Spohrer's avatar

Thanks for this pointer - glad to be listening to the interview! Shared with the ISSIP.org community which has a great interest in digital service - including service to citizens.

Kristof Kloeckner's avatar

Thanks for the recommendation. I will look it up. Maybe you remember 'The 5th risk' by Michael Lewis. It shows how the Trump regime systematically tried to destroy some of the agency delivering vital services. I think this goes deeper, though. Given the constant (political) pressure people in public service are under, one wonders why anybody would devote their lives to these thankless tasks...

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